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Shehbaz Sharif Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan, forming a coalition government between the PML-N and the PPP. Former Prime Minister of Canada Brian Mulroney dies at the age of 84. Following the general election, Feleti Teo is appointed Prime Minister of Tuvalu. Dahomey wins the Golden Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Myanmar civil war Red Sea crisis Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Recent deaths: Nikolai Ryzhkov Richard Lewis Héctor Ortiz Kumar Shahani Dave Myers Richard H. Truly view — page history — related changes — edit

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March 4

Portal:Current events/2024 March 4
March 4, 2024 (2024-03-04) (Monday)

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March 3

Portal:Current events/2024 March 3

March 3, 2024 (2024-03-03) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in the North Caucasus Russian special forces conduct a counter-terrorism operation in Karabaluk, Republic of Ingushetia, Russia, killing six militants. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Thirty-six people are killed and 50 others are injured across Pakistan during heavy rains, which have also caused landslides. (AP) Law and crime Haitian crisis Thousands of prisoners escape from the National Penitentiary in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, after it was stormed by armed gangs. (BBC News) (CNN) Politics and elections 2024 Belgrade City Assembly election A rerun of the 2023 Belgrade election is called amid protests following allegations of irregularities in the election. (AP) 2024 Pakistani general election Shehbaz Sharif is elected as Prime Minister of Pakistan for a second term. (Reuters) 2024 Salvadoran general election Salvadorans elect all 44 mayors and municipal councils and all 20 deputies to the Central American Parliament. (El Mundo) 2024 Swiss referendums Voters in Switzerland accept the referendum to increase monthly pensions but reject the referendum to increase the retirement age. (Swissinfo) Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke says that the government may consider renewing the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with the assistance of Ocean Infinity. (AP)

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RD: Chris Mortensen

Article: Chris Mortensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2DDA:5B3F:E171:D64F (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240F:7A:6253:1:2DDA:5B3F:E171:D64F (talk) 04:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now I think the article is giving undue weight to Deflategate and his undisclosed ad tweet in relation to the rest of his biography. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ed Ott

Article: Ed Ott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Article is well-sourced, untagged and of acceptable length. Jusdafax (talk) 00:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: U. L. Washington

Article: U. L. Washington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Pakistan New PM

Article: 2024 Pakistani general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan amid allegations of election rigging.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan with the support of PML-N allies, amid allegations of election rigging.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Following the general election marred by rigging allegations, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan despite the PTI-backed independent candidates winning majority seats.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan despite the PTI-backed independent candidates winning majority seats.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan although the PTI-backed independent candidates winning a plurality of seats.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan, forming a coalition government between the PML-N and the PPP.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, Express Tribube
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Ainty Painty (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb, OR altblurb IV The election has faced allegations of rigging, supported by numerous reputable sources [can be found on election page]. These allegations have prompted the creation of a standalone WP page dedicated to documenting the irregularities at Allegations of rigging in the 2024 Pakistani general election. so It's crucial that WP highlight these concerns about the election integrity. Altblurb can be re-worded though. --Saqib (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

  Is it necessary? There has been elections before with allegations of rigging but that was not featured in the alt blurb. Like USA 2020 or Russian interference in the UK 2019 election. Haris920 (talk) 10:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes it is. Reports from both local and international media have highlighted significant allegations of rigging, to the extent that there's now a standalone WP article dedicated to documenting it. Here's the gist: PTI declined to form a government, despite coalition offers from PPP. --Saqib (talk) 11:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Rigging has been happening for years in Pakistan. The rigging in this election makes no major difference. Every election gets rigged and manipulated. Did Zad really win in 2008? Nawaz 2013? PTI is only complaining as this is the first time they are on the wrong side of the rigging. Haris920 (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

While it's true that past elections hav been marred by rigging but I would say we shouldn't dwell on history and focus on this election because each and every election has its own unique circumstances & this one is no exception. For me, the pre-poll rigging was particularly unique or rather interesting this time around. one of the largest political parties barred from contesting, and its leader jailed and despite this, the party or its candidates emerged with the most seats in the parliament yet still was not unable to form a government. Sounds 1970 Pakistani general election to me. My comment might imply a biased agenda, which is not my intention as I'm neither a voter nor a supporter of PTI. However, it's important to acknowledge the extensive and ample coverage backing up the claims of rigging in this election by independent reliable sources, despite the prevalent censorship in Pakistan. Therefore, it's equally important for us to reflect this accurately. --Saqib (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Note By the way for those who don't know this ITN was proposed right after election last month> Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2024#(READY)_2024_Pakistani_elections. --Saqib (talk) 11:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support original blurb Unless elections are truly undemocratic, we don't include anything about it in blurbs, just name the successor, to prevent any politicising/any appearance of political POV. (I.e. he's in charge now, it would be wrong to use wikivoice to suggest anything at all about the appointment, not least that it might be illegitimate.) Kingsif (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a coalition government though. and original blur should reflect that--Saqib (talk) 11:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb as it captures the essence of the event in a clear way. The rigging is certainly sigificant, given the existing political crisis, there is no reason not to mention it. Article should be good to go. Pksois23 (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment We absolutely should not include the allegations of rigging in the blurb as those are exactly what's being said, allegations, not confirmation. Its a territory that needs the context of a full article to get into, not something that is appropriate for a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Proposed and Support Alt4. This acknowledges the PTI aspect of the election, but does not include the "rigging" concerns, which, like with elections that we consider to not be "free and fair", this information will be in the article and we can let the readers come to this conclusion organically. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

  It does have the word "despite" which, in a contextless blurb, can read as Wikipedia having a view of the outcome. Kingsif (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support original blurb: As it is most neutral and concise. Rigging allegations have been part of almost all Pakistani elections in the past. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT4 Despite the rigging allegations being an important part of the news, we’ve posted plenty of non-free/fair elections without such wording, and now’s not the time to change that. PTI note is good to include though, seeing as Sharif’s party is not the largest party in parliament. The Kip 19:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose mentioning rigging as these are only allegations for now, and that's not a wording we usually go with. Oppose the wording of alt4 (which is factually wrong, they did not win a majority) and alt5, but would support mentioning that this is a coalition government (thus why "winning a plurality" doesn't necessarily matter), ie support alt6. If that's not possible, support original blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt6, oppose on quality This seems to me to be the most factually accurate of the blurbs, and we don't need to mention allegations (not confirmation) of electoral fraud. That being said, the article currently has a mostly unsourced awards section, making it not ready to go. It might be good to mention the allegations of fraud in conjunction with protests due to the allegations. So far, I don't think they are notable enough, as there is only a medium-sized section about them. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200: Thanks for the heads up. Check out Allegations_of_rigging_in_the_2024_Pakistani_general_election#Protests --Saqib (talk) 22:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the expansion. However, I think we should only mention the protests if it is clear that they have had significant impacts (which the article currently doesn't indicate), and ideally if they get their own article. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• oppose alts III–V as grammatically incorrect (‘winning majority seats’, ‘although…winning’); further oppose the inclusion of any definitive claim that the PTI won a majority, including alt IV as presently unsourced (although I personally think the claim is plausible); and support some mention of vote-rigging allegations and/or the PTI’s winning a plurality of seats. Docentation (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2

Portal:Current events/2024 March 2

March 2, 2024 (2024-03-02) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Red Sea crisis Yemen's internationally-recognized government reports that the abandoned ship Rubymar that was struck by a Houthi anti-ship missile has sunk. (Reuters) (Nederlands Dagblad) Italian Navy destroyer Caio Duilio shoots down a Houthi drone in self-defence while in the Red Sea. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa Eight people, including two children, are killed and eight others are injured in a Russian drone strike on an apartment block in Odesa, Ukraine. (Ukrinform) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries Republican Party caucuses are held in Idaho, Michigan, and Missouri for the 2024 United States presidential election. Former president Donald Trump wins all three contests. (CBS News) (AP) 2024 Dunkley by-election In Australia, Jodie Belyea retains the seat of Dunkley for the Australian Labor Party despite a notable swing towards the Liberal Party. (ABC News Australia)

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RD: Søren Pape Poulsen

Article: Søren Pape Poulsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters Berlingske Copenhagen post
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Skjoldbro (talk · give credit), MAINEiac4434 (talk · give credit) and 188.176.174.30 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Danish politician. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is of decent quality, but it would be ideal to fix the one cn the article does have. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Weird way for such a notable politician to go. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

  Almost another Hasan Bitmez deal. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sure, some might doubt he succeeded the elusive Johannes Stensgaard in '09, but I don't. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Eugene Wijeysingha

Article: Eugene Wijeysingha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/former-raffles-institution-headmaster-eugene-wijeysingha-dies-at-90
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– robertsky (talk) 09:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support The article is sufficiently well-sourced, but it is short. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Support - short, but sourced and probably good enough Pksois23 (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Okafor

Article: John Okafor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pulse, Punch
Credits:

• Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Popular Nollywood actor. There are still a couple of passages marked as needing citations. gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - poorly written and poorly cited article Pksois23 (talk) 07:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Sinking of the Rubymar

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Sinking of the MV Rubymar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ During the Red Sea crisis, the ship MV Rubymar becomes the first ship to be sunk by Houthi militants, leading to an ongoing environmental disaster (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Oil leaking from the sinking MV Rubymar causes an environmental disaster in the Red Sea.
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fritzmann2002 (talk · give credit)

I'm not the best at making blurbs so i wouldn't mind alt blurbs Abo Yemen✉ 15:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as this is covered by the Red Sea crisis item in ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 15:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. The military bit is covered by ongoing as mentioned by Goedel2200 and The Kip, true, however, I feel this is newsworthy as an environmental situation. I boldly therefore propose the altblurb for everyone's consideration. --Ouro (blah blah) 15:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Besides from the fact that the article is a stub, this environmental disaster is actually also covered by ongoing (it is listed in the same paragraph in the Red Sea crisis article where the sinking of the ship is listed). I am also concerned that the altblurb misrepresents where the word "environmental disaster" is used by RS's. As far as I can tell, the only RS's listed that use "environmental disaster" in the article for the environmental impact of the Red Sea crisis were from before the sinking (actually, the sinking isn't even mentioned in the environmental impact article). Gödel2200 (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Covered by ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This article is nommed for DYK, as an alternate if the ITN nom is covered by ongoing. Fritzmann (message me) 15:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  While I think there is an argument for ITN, I do think that the subject would make for an interesting DYK blurb that is also not clickbait or shock value, and that DYK could probably do with more of those. So, if the two parts of MP want to work together, I might suggest focus on the DYK. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose covered by ongoing, Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose first blurb by ongoing, oppose altblurb on quality of the article linked, would support if it was made an article about that specific sinking's environmental effects rather than the weird one-section general topic article it currently is (which mentions the previous attack on the ship but not the current sinking). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Non-notable ship (likely due to its small size), and event should be covered by ongoing. Because of the non-notability of the ship, I question the need for the article rather than a summary of the sinking in an appropriate location within the ongoing article, but that's not an issue to resolve here. --Masem (t) 19:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nom, but covered by ongoing. I'd support this in DYK per Kingsif. Moncoposig (talk) 20:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is covered by “Ongoing”. However, it could be a good article for “DYK”. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as this is covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

March 1

Portal:Current events/2024 March 1

March 1, 2024 (2024-03-01) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war An Israeli missile attack in Baniyas, Syria, kills three people. Mexican drug war Four Mexican soldiers are killed by an improvised explosive device in a trap near Aguililla, Michoacán, Mexico. The soldiers were inspecting a camp, likely used by cartel members, when they stepped on an anti-personnel mine set in the underbrush. (AP) War in Amhara Intense fighting between the Fano militia and the Ethiopian government breaks out in Bahir Dar, the capital of Amhara region, Ethiopia. (The East African) At least eight people are injured when a suspected homemade bomb explodes in a cafe in Bengaluru, Karnataka, India. (Reuters) International relations Haitian crisis The G9 gang launches an offensive in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with its leader Jimmy Chérizier announcing the aim of capturing Haiti's cabinet officials and police chief. Four police officers are killed in a shooting outside a police station. (AP) Kenyan president William Ruto announces an agreement with Haiti to deploy 1,000 police officers as part of a mission approved by the United Nations to combat gang violence in the Caribbean nation. (Reuters) Law and crime A soldier kills four people in a spree shooting in Scheeßel and Bothel, Lower Saxony, Germany, before being arrested. (AP) Nineteen people, including six children, are injured in a vehicle-ramming attack in Szczecin, Poland. (Barron's) Iranian Grammy winner Shervin Hajipour is sentenced to up to four years in jail and is ordered to write anti-American-Agression music. (RFE/RL) Politics and elections 2024 Finnish presidential election Alexander Stubb is sworn in as the 13th President of Finland. (Reuters) 2024 Iranian legislative election Parliamentary elections are held in Iran. (Al Jazeera) Death and funeral of Alexei Navalny The funeral of Russian politician and activist Alexei Navalny is held in Moscow, Russia. (AP) In an address to the nation, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak claimed that "democracy is under threat" from both far-left extremism and far-right extremism following the election of George Galloway in the 2024 Rochdale by-election, and threats made against members of parliament over the war in Gaza. (The Independent)

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(Ready) RD: Iris Apfel

Article: Iris Apfel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B811:95D6:3052:1B00 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheJay123 (talk · give credit), Thriley (talk · give credit), Carlstak (talk · give credit) and Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:B811:95D6:3052:1B00 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

2 CN tags but otherwise well-cited. JM (talk) 05:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Tags now resolved. Innisfree987 (talk) 06:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. JM (talk) 06:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is surprisingly well sourced. Artistic woman with an exceptional long career. Cart (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support no issues, solid sourcing, article is long enough. Mooonswimmer 23:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Erling Folkvord

Article: Erling Folkvord (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK Aftenposten
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2001:2020:315:9569:7da5:3faf:fb23:e4d (talk · give credit), Artegia (talk · give credit) and Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Norwegian politician. Article is a GA. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support Article is a fully-cited GA, but there’s almost nothing on what he did between the 2009 elections and his death (a period of 15ish years). The Kip 01:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Dhaka building fire

Article: 2024 Dhaka building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 44 people have been killed and 40 injured after a fire broke out in a building in Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Dhaka, Bangladesh, a fire at a building kills at least 44 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A fire at a building in Dhaka, Bangladesh, kills at least 44 people.
News source(s): NY Times, Reuters, The Guardian, BBC, VOA
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Harrz (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as the article is poorly-developed at the moment. Weak support on notability, though I could be convinced the other way. The Kip 04:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality too short, empty section. JM (talk) 05:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Conditional Support* Needs some work but this is something that definitely should have made the "In the News." X (talk) 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as the article does not indicate this event will have a lasting impact. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality too short and lacks detail. Although support on notability once that is fixed. Pksois23 (talk) 13:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, not a lot of detail about the fire and its a short article. Support on notability once issues are resolved. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 16:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality– the article isn't ready at all at this moment, atleast for news blurb. Support on notability because this kind of incidents (also very less severe if it happens in the US) have been included in the past. Zeeshan Y Tariq 20:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Article needs more work. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Without any way to further expand this article (comparable to how lengthy the Grenfell Tower fire due to its investigation), this is a run-of-the-mill unfortunate disaster that is more appropriate to a list article rather than standalone. --Masem (t) 19:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment/Support although the article is short and somewhat lacks detail I think it is well sourced and could probably barely pass WP:ITNQUALITY. I know this is kind of an insignificant issue but ITN has been sort of quiet these days. Pksois23 (talk) 13:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident

Article: Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 112 people are killed and 760 people are injured after Israeli troops open fire on people gathering flour. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC News, The New York Times Aljazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Lukt64 (talk · give credit)

Covered largely in international media. Lukt64 (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for largely the same reasons I said below: covered by ongoing and non-NPOV blurb. Once again, not a good sign for NPOV when the nominator uses the heading "massacre" while nominating an article using "incident" (since changed as of 20:19). Also, nominated on the wrong day. JM (talk) 20:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed altblurb and added more sources. Still oppose as ongoing. JM (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

My altblurb was removed as "euphemistic" despite virtually matching the article's current opening sentence (112 Palestinian civilians were killed and at least 760 were injured; the circumstances are disputed) so I suppose that alternative is out of the question then. JM (talk) 05:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose although this is certainly notable on its own, this is covered by ongoing, Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose While I do concur with the argument that this is covered by ongoing, it would be good to have some prose about this event added to the Israel-Hamas war page. As far as I can tell, there is only a see also mention to the article in the Gaza famine section. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment: While "Russian invasion of Ukraine" has its timeline article on the main page, why doesn't the same occur with "Israel–Hamas war"? There is a timeline article: Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by RodRabelo7 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was specifically added to ongoing because the main article for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was not getting daily updates, while the timeline was. The Israel-Hamas war articles is getting daily updates, so I think we are fine leaving it as it is. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 00:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as covered by Ongoing, but support adding it to the Israel-Hamas war page as per Gödel. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, but it should be noted that a stampede also occurred While this is covered by “Ongoing” & should be added to the Israel-Hamas war article, this is significant enough to be blurbable. However, the stampede should also be mentioned. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Support with stampede mentioned - Per @Blaylockjam10 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

February 29

Portal:Current events/2024 February 29

February 29, 2024 (2024-02-29) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident At least 112 people are killed and 760 others are injured in Gaza City while receiving aid. The Gaza Health Ministry claims the Israel Defense Forces indiscriminately opened fire into a crowd, while Israeli officials claim that most of the deaths were caused by a stampede resulting from Israeli warning shots. (AP) (The Washington Post) (BBC News) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war 2024 Eli shooting Two Israelis are shot and killed in an attack at a gas station near Eli in the West Bank. (Times of Israel) Disasters and accidents 2024 Dhaka building fire At least 44 people are killed in a building fire in Dhaka, Bangladesh. (BBC News) A Sikorsky S-92 helicopter crashes six kilometers off the coast of Bergen, Norway, killing one person and injuring five others. (NU.nl) The Smokehouse Creek Fire in the Texas Panhandle grows to become the largest wildfire in the history of Texas. (AP) International relations Colombia–Israel relations Colombian President Gustavo Petro announces that Colombia will suspend the purchase of armament from Israeli manufacturers. Petro also declares the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip to be a genocide. (W Radio) Israel–European Union relations The European Parliament votes in favor of a non-binding resolution calling for an unconditional ceasefire in the Israel–Hamas war. (The Brussels Times) Law and crime Dutch international footballer Quincy Promes is detained in Dubai while on trip with Spartak Moscow and faces extradition to the Netherlands after having been recently convicted in absentia of drug trafficking and sentenced to six years in prison by the Dutch court. (Telecom Asia) Politics and elections 2024 Rochdale by-election Residents in Rochdale, England, vote to elect a new Member of Parliament in a controversial by-election overshadowed by the Israel–Hamas war. (The Guardian) Workers Party of Britain candidate George Galloway wins the by-election with 12,335 votes. (BBC News) Former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney dies at the age of 84. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: David Bordwell

Article: David Bordwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:217A:705B:CA1B:1C7D (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American film theorist and film historian. 240F:7A:6253:1:217A:705B:CA1B:1C7D (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Linda White

Article: Linda White (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-01/senator-linda-white-dies/103532260
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian Senator. Article is short but well sourced. HiLo48 (talk) 23:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support, a bit brief for my liking but fully-sourced. The Kip 05:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support A little short but good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support - good 'nuff ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – robertsky (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

(Blurb posted) Blurb/RD: Brian Mulroney

Article: Brian Mulroney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Prime Minister of Canada Brian Mulroney (pictured) dies at the age of 84 (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Colton hockey11 (talk · give credit), Fulserish (talk · give credit), NickAra123 (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Prime Minister of Canada from 1984 to 1993. JM (talk) 23:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Definitely noteworthy enough. Some uncited content in § Labour lawyer (1964–1976). Elli (talk | contribs) 23:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  RDs are not evaluated on significance, only on quality. JM (talk) 23:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  Should clarify, I meant noteworthy enough for a blurb. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Support once the CNs are resolved. The article is of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support once cleaned up; would a blurb be worth considering? He was PM of Canada for nearly nine years. The Kip 23:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb A complicated figure, I despise much of the man's politics (while admiring other parts of his political legacy), but he was part of "conservative trio" of UK, US, & Canada politicians of the 1980s (Reagan, Mulroney, Thatcher) who greatly shaped world politics of the 1980s.Canuck^{89 (Talk to me) or visit my user page} 00:16, March 1, 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb once citations fixed. PM of Canada for nearly a decade. Responsible for very key domestic developments such as mass privatization (boo), a national sale tax, two failed attempts at constitutional reform, as well as international achievements such as US-Canada free trade, leading the fight against apartheid in the Commonwealth, and overseeing the signing of the Montreal Protocol to save the ozone layer, among others. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Citation issues that would bar posting seem to have been resolved. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Article has now been given 15 CN tags so if anyone wants to clean those up... JM (talk) 00:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  I've done 5 citations but I'm out of time for now. JM (talk) 01:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  3 CN tags left (although 2 are for whole paragraphs); a lot closer to being ready. JM (talk) 08:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb once citations fixed Concur with above statements on blurb relevance. Flibirigit (talk) 00:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose blurb since the manner of his death, which ought to be the qualification for a death-related blurb, is not unusual or newsworthy This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb once citations fixed I agree with with the above statements in support of the blurb DriveAllKnight (talk) 03:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• He Was 84 and I think we all know what that means. To those who still believe in the Mandela/Thatcher standard, though, it should be noted that before he was 84, he was pretty much the Canadian representative of those two "legends". Sometimes figuratively, sometimes literally, sometimes both. Definitely "in their league". Big name, regardless, and should be noticeable enough in RD when ready (besides the citations, it repeats "Mulroney" too often). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb once sourcing issues have been fixed. Mulroney is one of the most consequential and influence Canadian PMs in its recent history. Plus I support blurbing former G8/G20 heads of states. I don’t think someone’s age should determine if they get blurbed or not. Plus nine years of PM is noteworthy as well. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  It's more a matter of the unremarkable way old people tend to go than anything against their ages themselves. Sometimes younger people die naturally, too, and some older people of ways in which readers may reasonably want to stay updated over the next week or two. Nine years is a long time, though, regardless of when it ended. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps not so noteworthy in Canada over the last 50 years. Pierre Trudeau did 15 years from 1968-1979 and 1980-1984, Mulroney did 9 years from 1984-1993, Chretien did 10 years from 1993-2003, Harper did 9 years from 2006-2015, and Justin Trudeau's done almost 9 years from 2015-present. Since 1968 we've had more who did 9 years than who didn't. JM (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  These five are all noteworthy for pretty much the same accomplishment, despite their differences. Like the Beatles or the Four Horsemen. I'm not saying Mulroney's the Lennon or Flair of the bunch, but it's still impressively long to me, dammit. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, but support blurb once fixed This article gives a good legacy section (albeit lack of sources) to explain why we should blurb him. Just need better sourcing throughout. --Masem (t) 05:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional Support for Blurb on the merits. However, I concur with the vast majority of comments above that the article is currently not ready for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb The page is quite substantial and is graded B-class and level 5 vital. It has been put on the main page several times before in OTD. And it has over 200 citations and a huge bibliography. The idea that it's not good enough for ITN is ridiculous. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  I would personally avoid using level-5 "vital" as an argument, as that label is applied by a very small set of editors. I agree with wanting to feature people of this level of political significance, though. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  The article is also graded as High importance by multiple projects. It has been edited by over 1,550 different editors and that's quite a lot. ITN has comparatively few !voters but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb – Only a one-sentence update. Very limited information on his illness, death, and funeral. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  In fact, it's not just his illness and death. We barely have any information on the past 25 years of his life. I don't think featuring the article in this state would "showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events" or "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource." ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  Nonsense. The article has an extensive section After politics (1993–2024) which is over 10Kb and 1600 words of prose. That's several times larger than the entire article for Feleti Teo whose picture has headlined ITN for four days now even though the population of his small island is less than my local council ward. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused; I should've properly read better of course, but I made this comment after searching every single year on the page between 1999 and 2024 and getting practically zero results outside of the References section. Something must be wrong with Safari's search function. I apologize for the confusion, though I do stand by the lack of information on illness, death, and funeral: the actual event we would be featuring. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  If the death was from natural causes, a one-sentence update is pretty much all we can expect in the immediate. As there is plans for a state furenal, this can be expected to be expanded, but we don't need that in place for a blurb if the rest of the article adequetely is in shape and explains why a blurb is appropriate. — Masem (t) 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Orbitalbuzzsaw: he was very notable during his life, but the death itself was not notable. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  Nelson Mandela lived a very notable life, but retreated into retirement in his last few years and then died in a very ordinary manner (respiratory disease, #2 most common cause of death). By your logic, would he therefore not get a blurb? It makes no sense to me that "dying in an ordinary manner" makes the passing of an otherwise self-admitted highly notable person ineligible for a blurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for not explaining clearer: when I say that the "death itself was not notable", I do not mean that the deaths of major figures who do not die in an unexpected way can never get blurbed. Instead, I would have been more inclined to support this blurb if the death itself was notable, i.e, there was significant coverage of their death on Wikipedia. In the case of Nelson Mandela, I would have almost certainly supported that, as there is a whole page devoted to his death and reactions to it. In contrast, as far as I can tell, there is only a two sentence mention of Mulroney's death on his page. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

On the other hand, Mulroney was not nearly as notable as Mandela, which is why Mandela got an entire death article. This classifies as "life as main story" on ITNRDBLURB. Information, at least on his Wikipedia page, is very limited regarding death, funeral, and other proceedings, as well as lacking quality. Pksois23 (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I imagine more info about the funeral will come out soon, all we've got right now is confirmation from Trudeau that he is receiving a state funeral. DriveAllKnight (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per above. Support RD. Pksois23 (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Certainly a transformative figure in Canadian politics in the mold of Reagan/Thatcher, with large effects abroad (NAFTA, etc.). Davey2116 (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and pretty indifferent to whether it's a RD or blurb once fixed. He seems just notable enough for a blurb, but I don't think it would be a crime to just post him as RD. However, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that the death itself must be notable, as it is counter to WP:ITNRDBLURB. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb not just your average politician - transformative figure in Canadian and worldwide politics. His death's widespread coverage stems not from the fact that he died, but because he is a distinctly notable figure. To that effect, The Times of India, Al Jazeera, and the South China Morning Post all did substantive pieces about his legacy and political importance. When a particularly politically influential former leader of a country dies and attracts significant worldwide news coverage, this merits a blurb regardless of individual editors' peculiar view that an ordinary "manner of death" altogether precludes someone's life from being notable. To the contrary, the ultimate bottom line is how well-known the figure was + press coverage: if those indicia strongly point towards notability, then an ordinary manner of death does not necessarily preclude a blurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb—I haven't actually checked the quality of the article, so I'll just comment on its blurbworthiness. Mulroney was a highly consequential figure in both Canadian and international politics, besides being the leader of one of the more powerful countries in the world for over a decade. Kurtis ^(talk) 19:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Reminder You may support a death blurb for a person who has died in old age far removed from the events that give them notability. You may also choose to oppose the blurb specifically because the death occurred naturally in old age. There are committed partisans on both sides that like to suggest the opposing view is illegitimate, but both opinions are valid and should/will be weighed in consensus. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• @Masem:, @Ad Orientem:, @Mike gigs: and others who opposed blurb due to quality issues: as of now, there's no citation needed tags. Article seems good in terms of quality. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  The supreme court appointments section has no sources. There are 2 paragraphs in the after politics section with no citations. There's also some statements scattered throughout the article without sources. I believe the article is not ready yet (at least not for a blurb). 2001:4651:F168:0:905D:8C2F:83B8:23F1 (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  @2001:4651:F168:0:905D:8C2F:83B8:23F1: Fixed. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - Widely reported, and very influential and respected. It says a lot that Justin Trudeau dispatched him, despite the chasm between their two parties, to deal with Trump during the recent trade agreement renegotiations (Canada–United States–Mexico Agreement). Nfitz (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb - when Jimmy Carter passes away, I will of course support a blurb. No difference here. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  That's a very good point. Especially given that he is perhaps the one of the least significant US Presidents of the late 20th century, domestically. Alternatively, if we set a precedent here - then surely we must also reject a blurb for Carter - despite his fame at Chalk River. Nfitz (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD The article is sufficient quality for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Is the article ready? Also, is there consensus to blurb this? BangJan1999 18:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb for all the reasons given above. AryKun (talk) 19:00, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as blurb While not everyone agrees, I see consensus for this to go up as a blurb. Schwede66 19:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ali Hassan Mwinyi

Article: Ali Hassan Mwinyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former president of Tanzania. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment legacy section uncited, honours subsection uncited, 1 CN tag. JM (talk) 22:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I'm anticipating that this might not gain consensus, but I would consider blurbing Mwinyi... he was the leader of one of the larger countries in Africa for a full ten years, so looked at purely in terms of population numbers ruled over, he'd be a similar case to Tony Blair or Jacques Chirac (whose death we didn't post because of quality concerns, but which would have otherwise been an easy blurb). Obviously in terms of economy size and world status, the leader of Tanzania is less than the leaders of the UK or France, but still worth considering.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, old man dies, a notable life is not a notable death, the usual. JM (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  Well if that's the case, what's going on in the post above this one, in which everyone's supporting away, despite the same situation prevailing?  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

  Of the two people who voted oppose blurb here, one voted oppose above as well, and I refrained from voting above as the nominator of that RD (I didn't propose the blurb). No one who voted to support the one above also voted to oppose this one, and vice versa. JM (talk) 08:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb since the manner of death was not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - for the same reason I supported blurbing Canada's PM. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  This is currently an RD nom. No blurb has been proposed.... yet. --PFHLai (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• He Was 98 Served for longer than Mulroney, too, pretty impressive. No Mandela/Thatcher Effect here, but some views on apartheid. I've never heard of him, but I think RD will (eventually) be enough for those who know him to know he died (which is often the point of a death announcement). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• The "Legacy" section currently has no prose and no references. --PFHLai (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The "Legacy" section needs to be in better shape before I determine whether or not I think he should be blurbed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

February 28

Portal:Current events/2024 February 28

February 28, 2024 (2024-02-28) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks The Chadian government announces that an overnight attack on Chad's security services headquarters in N'Djamena has resulted in the deaths of several individuals, accusing the Socialist Party without Borders of carrying out the attack. In response the Chadian Army besieges the party's headquarters with several people killed including its president Yaya Dillo Djérou amid internet restrictions around the capital. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera English) (The Washington Post) Disasters and accidents Oil begins to wash ashore on Bonaire, Leeward Antilles, believed to have originated from the ship Gulfstream with around 35,000 barrels of oil on board that capsized near Tobago earlier this month. (BBC News) At least 17 people are killed after two buses collide in San Juan de Opoa, Copán Department, Honduras. (Reuters) International relations China urges the world's largest nuclear states to negotiate a "no first use" treaty. China and India are currently the only two nuclear powers to formally maintain a no first use policy. (Reuters) Officials in the Russia-backed breakaway region of Transnistria, internationally recognised as a part of Moldova, appeal to the Russian Duma for more intervention in Transnistria amid increasing tension with the government of Moldova. (Associated Press) The Canadian government releases its report into the high-profile firings of two scientists from the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, Manitoba, in 2021, stating that the pair worked closely and covertly with the Chinese government. (National Post) Law and crime Federal prosecution of Donald Trump The United States Supreme Court agrees to decide whether former President Donald Trump can claim immunity in special counsel Jack Smith's 2020 presidential election subversion case. Arguments are scheduled to begin in April. (The New York Times) LGBT rights in Ghana The Parliament of Ghana passes a bill making the promotion or advocacy of LGBT rights punishable by five years in prison. (Reuters) Politics and elections Megxit In the United Kingdom, High Court of Justice Judge Peter Richard Lane rejects a legal challenge from Prince Harry against the government's decision to take away the prince's automatic right to police protection when he is in the country. (Sky News) U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell announces that he will step down as Senate minority leader in November, having served as the Senate GOP leader since 2007. (ABC News) Sports Red Bull Formula One leader Christian Horner is cleared of wrongdoing in an internal probe looking into allegations of "inappropriate" behavior made by a female staffer. Horner will remain in the position of team leader. (NBC News)

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(Reviewers needed) RD: Yaya Dillo Djérou

Article: Yaya Dillo Djérou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and IngenuityBot (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Opposition leader of Chad killed in shooting, significant press coverage and well-sourced article. Jmanlucas (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support It looked briefly like the end of one paragraph was uncited, but I checked the source and all the information in the uncited section was contained in source #1. Article quality is sufficient for RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article in good shape and certainly big news. I only wish we had more but it’s long enough to qualify, IMO. Innisfree987 (talk) 13:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Half of this wikibio is about his assassination. The other half is a "Biography" section that lacks basic biographical info such as date and place of birth, upbringing, education and early career. How did he form SCUD and become the leader of the opposition in Chad? This wikibio has a big gap in coverage of the subject's life. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

  Nothing in the source confirmed that he was leader of the Chadian opposition and I’ve removed the claim. Chad’s opposition is too fragmented to meaningfully be regarded as having a leader except so far as one is designated in the Assemblée nationale…which was suspended after the CMT’s coup. Docentation (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The biography section before his death has been greatly expanded. Looks like it should be good to go. Jmanlucas (talk) 01:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Nice expansion thus far. Perhaps a little more to elaborate on his govt posts as shown in the infobox, please? Those dates need to be sourced. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

    Looks to me like the sources have been covered. I'll happily take any other suggestions on how to improve the page. Jmanlucas (talk) 03:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Remark. I have dealt with some infelicities references-wise; in particular, his date of birth is now sourced, and some bare links have been removed. Docentation (talk) 04:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Héctor Ortiz

Article: Héctor Ortiz (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News Dallas Morning News
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AdamBGregory (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Puerto Rican baseball catcher and coach. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support quality sufficient for RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dave Myers

Article: Dave Myers (presenter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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British TV presenter and chef. Article in decent shape, just needs a few refs. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose still missing some references, a few uncited paragraphs. JM (talk) 23:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

23 TV guest appearances unsourced (although all shows have articles). Also another Strictly results table... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Removed some of the chat show appearances, rest are referenced now.yorkshiresky (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support now seems to be fully sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Is any more required there, or is this now ready? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, looks good to me. JM, please check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  Support per above. JM (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Virgil (wrestler)

Article: Virgil (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestlezone
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E00B:A9D5:6C4C:C0E3 (talk · give credit)

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American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:E00B:A9D5:6C4C:C0E3 (talk) 03:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Unfortunately, like many pro wrestling pages, it’s in poor shape citation-wise. The Kip 06:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose There are three tags on the page esp. lack of citations Pksois23 (talk) 13:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cat Janice

Article: Cat Janice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Support no issues preventing posting. JM (talk) 00:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article looks good quality wise ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nikolai Ryzhkov

Article: Nikolai Ryzhkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Скончался экс-глава правительства СССР Николай Рыжков
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 3PPYB6 (talk · give credit)

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Former Premier of the Soviet Union, Politburo, and Russian Senator following the fall of the Soviet Union. Was the last living Premier, and last leader from the final years of the USSR still around. Article may need help, but its also a GA, so maybe not. TheCorriynial (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Orange tag at the top that needs to be addressed, otherwise looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until orange tag is cleared. Otherwise, article looks ready. Moncoposig (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

  The tag was added in 2018 with no edit summary or talk page rationale. Not sure this should hold this up if the article otherwise is well-cited. Connormah (talk) 01:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  It also doesn't seem like he said or did much following 2018, minus some random events in 2022 and his retirement. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  Removed tag, there was nothing about it on the talk page and the article had post-2018 information anyway. JM (talk) 02:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems to be relatively well-cited once orange tag is taken care of. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose due to two cn's and a partially unsourced awards section. Support as there is now only one unsourced statement. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  • @Gödel2200 – I cited the statements that needed citations. I will try to find sources for the awards section, and then I believe this should be good to post… — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 16:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, the article looks just about ready now. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose until awards section is cited Pksois23 (talk) 03:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article has been improved. Only one award is uncited. Ready. Thriley (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support per my additions of sources (mostly from the government). If someone finds out they are unreliable, please ask me to switch this !vote to weak oppose. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 01:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
  • All awards have been cited and consequently all statements are cited. The only question remaining now is reliability, which may be something we need to evaluate before posting. If reliability is not a concern here, I thrust my full support here. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 01:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Improved GA ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 21:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Mitch McConnel will step down as Senate minority leader

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Article: Mitch McConnell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mitch McConnell announced he will step down as Senate minority leader, ending the longest tenure of any senator leading their party in the history of the United States. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Steve.A.Dore.4‬ (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell announced that he will be stepping down from that position after the longest tenure of any Senator leading their party in the history of the United States. Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2024

• Comment tidied up the nomination and added a blurb on behalf of the nominator. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nomination, this is not the sort of news we post at ITN. It won't change the GOP's trajectory. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Misleading blurb, he didn't step down. He announced that he would step down in November. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Chaotic Enby: sorry that would be my fault. No blurb was given in the nomination so I hastily wrote one; corrected now. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - and suggest SNOW close, there is 0 chance this is going to be posted. nableezy - 20:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose neither head of state nor head of government nor head of the legislature nor even the head of a single chamber of the legislature nor even the party leader; merely the leader of the senate caucus of the minority party. Additionally, merely an announcement, he's not even leaving until November. JM (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close Bona fide nomination, but Mitch's resignation is totally irrelevant to Wikipedia and outside of Washington DC. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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February 27

Portal:Current events/2024 February 27

February 27, 2024 (2024-02-27) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis Operation Aspides German Navy warship Hessen shoots down two drones launched by Houthi forces in Yemen as part of the European Union's mission to protect international shipping in the Red Sea. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Ukrainian military withdraws from the villages of Sieverne and Stepove near Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast, following the announcement of its withdrawal from the nearby village of Lastochkyne on February 26. (Reuters) Business and economy Japanese technology company Sony announces it will cut 900 jobs across its global workforce and has also proposed the closure of London Studio as part of the restructuring. (Sony Interactive Entertainment press release) Disasters and accidents Thirty-one people are killed and ten more injured after a bus en route from Mali to Burkina Faso crashes on a road in Koumantou. (AP) Two people are killed in Conakry, Guinea, during protests related to an ongoing nationwide strike. (Reuters) The Smokehouse Creek Fire in the Texas panhandle continues to spread, with almost 200,000 acres currently on fire. (CNN) Law and crime 1974 Mitsubishi Heavy Industries bombing The identity of a deceased man is confirmed by a DNA test to be Satoshi Kirishima, who participated in a 1974 bombing. (BBC News) In the Netherlands, the Marengo trial concludes after six years. Of the 17 prosecuted people, three people, including Ridouan Taghi and Saïd Razzouki, are sentenced to life imprisonment for their role in ten murders. (NOS) Russian human rights activist Oleg Orlov is sentenced to 2 and a half years in prison for "repeatedly discrediting" the Russian military. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries, 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries Michigan holds its Republican and Democratic primaries. Former President Donald Trump and incumbent President Joe Biden are the respective winners. (VOA) (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Dick Truly

Article: Richard H. Truly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASA
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RedJamII (talk · give credit), Iamnotblocked123 (talk · give credit) and Donaldd23 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Manned Orbiting Laboratory and NASA astronaut. Served as NASA administrator from 1989 to 1992. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Berlin International film festival

Article: Dahomey (film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dahomey wins the Golden Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Well cited and ITN/R. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support article reads well with references. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is well sourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:04, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• This meets our minimum requirements, but there's something odd about the article. The writing is unidiomatic, as if it has been imperfectly translated, and the coverage is unbalanced. There's a huge number of quotes from reviewers, but little on the actual content, and not enough context for readers unfamiliar with the Kingdom of Dahomey or repatriation of artworks. I've done a heavy copyedit but this really needs an expert to expand the first few sections. Modest Genius ^talk 13:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support Article is fine...but it would be great for an expert or something to cleanup and edit the article as per MOS:FILM Pksois23 (talk) 13:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Shouldn't the film festival be the targeted article here, since that is what is ITN/R? Citing the recent BAFTA post and typical award ceremonies. If so, that article isn't up to standards. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:10, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:ITNAWARDS says that: "Unless otherwise noted, the target article is normally the winner of the award." Because there is no note for the Berlin International Film Festival, I would assume this means the winner should be targeted in this case. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support Target article is fine, but as noted by commenters above, the “Reception” section feels a bit excessive while the “Contents” section feels underdeveloped. The Kip 20:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Lewis

Article: Richard Lewis (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

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Pretty well sourced, but for the filmography. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The awards section tag bothers me a lil bit, but other than that, the article looks in pretty good shape and is good to go. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• I'm not sure why this is still lingering, but I've gone ahead and marked it as ready. Jessintime (talk) 15:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Filmography half referenced; rm ready. Spencer^T•C 17:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support I've covered most of the filmography, if someone can take another look. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ronnie de Mel

Article: Ronnie de Mel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dinamina, adaderana.lk, dailynews.lk
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Titanciwiki (talk · give credit)

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Sri Lankan politician, former Minister of Finance. Titanciwiki^talk/contrib 06:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Support The article seems well-sourced and of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems to meet the ITN/RD quality requirements. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks ready to go. Moncoposig (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• I've updated the sources and content, and formatted the article and citations.

Support for reasons cited by User:MtPenguinMonster 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

(On hold) Sweden's accession to NATO

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Articles: Sweden–NATO relations (talk · history · tag) and Enlargement of NATO (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hungary ratifies Sweden's accession to the NATO treaty, clearing the last obstacle to full membership (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as the alliance's 32nd member.
News source(s): BBC, FT, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ergo Sum (talk · give credit)

Article updated

The only remaining formality seems to be deposition of a document and there will be a flag-raising ceremony later this week. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support once the one CN tag is fixed. Article looks ready to go and well-sourced. Moncoposig (talk) 16:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for formal accession While all members of NATO have ratified Sweden's accession, we should wait to post until Sweden formally joins. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until formally completed but clearly an ITN worthy item when that happens. Masem (t) 16:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for formal accession. This took a year longer than expected, waiting maybe one more day shouldn't be that much. Count this as a support on notability once it's finally done. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Suppot but wait until accession. JM (talk) 16:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support after formal accession per Gödel2200. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until formal accession. This is probably the least significant expansion because the country is completely surrounded by NATO member states.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Not insignificant at all. This expansion essentially turns the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake, not to mention the strategic value of Gotland undermines both Kaliningrad and makes the Suwalki gap way more defendable. Not to mention how much easier it has gotten to defend the baltic states too. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree, it's probably the most important given Sweden's long politics of neutrality, Turkey's and Hungary's long opposition to it, and the wider geopolitical picture.

  Abcmaxx (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Sweden’s politics of neutrality is completely irrelevant from a geopolitical viewpoint (it fits well for DYK, though), and we don’t know whether Sweden will meet NATO’s defence guidelines (it seems like half of the member states are non-compliant with the 2% guideline). I don’t object posting this when Sweden accedes, but it’s just filling a gap rather than truly expanding the alliance. For the sake of comparison, Finland’s accession was way more significant because the country shares the longest border with Russia in Europe.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Strong support after formal accession per Kiril Simeonovski & Gödel2200 Ion.want.uu (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Since we posted when Finland joined NATO, it is only fair that we post here too, but Wait until all the processes are formally completed. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support and wait for formal accession for the reasons discussed above. Ergo Sum 18:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support but wait for formal accession, per above. I additionally added altblurb 1 (which I favor over the originally proposed blurb) to match the format for when we posted Finland. DecafPotato (talk) 19:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Consensus is to wait until accession, at which point altblurb 1 makes way more sense. JM (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support but wait for formal accession, per above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 19:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support but wait per above. Still some minor bureaucratic actions before it’s official. The Kip 20:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. Sweden's actual accession to NATO will be far more noteworthy. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 21:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly support once formal accession completed. Any country acceding to NATO is important, and one with a history of neutrality like Sweden perhaps moreso than average, but it's premature before the ink is dry. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Note, that probably necessitates a rewrite of the blurb. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  There's an altblurb. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Wait per all above, and note that BBC says the formal accession usually takes "a few days", so I don't see a need to close this discussion given the way consensus looks at the moment (i.e. it will presumably still be on the page when accession happens, any disagreement will have been stated by then, that makes it all nice and smooth for posting or not when it happens without having to open a new discussion). Kingsif (talk) 23:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Close for now Unfortunately, this will take more than "a few days" since Hungary is once again stalling. The vote from its parlament needs to be signed by the president or speaker of the house, and that will take some days, probably late this week or perhaps early next week.[6] After that, the actual signed documents (no e-mail with this) will be flown to Brussels and Washington for the final confirmation.[7] That usually takes about three days. So it might be better to close this now and open a new discussion when everything is done. The item is ITN-worthy even if our biggest contribution to NATO will just be to provide a shortcut for military advances,[8] and the fact that we are a good weapons manufacturer. It's one of the last slots to be filled in in the NATO patchwork and the end of a very long policy of neutrality.[9] (All of this according to Swedish media sources.) In my own opinion: Don't jinx it with premature declarations! ;-) Cart (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait for accession as per above --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Strong support once Sweden formally joins NATO, per above. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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February 26

Portal:Current events/2024 February 26

February 26, 2024 (2024-02-26) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah clashes Israel conducts airstrikes on Hezbollah positions in Lebanon's Beqaa Valley, marking Israel's deepest incursion into Lebanon since the outbreak of hostilities. (Reuters) RED-Tabara militants launch an attack in Buringa, Bubanza Province, Burundi, killing nine people and injuring five others. The local headquarters of the ruling CNDD–FDD party is also set on fire. (Actualite) International relations Iran–Israel relations The Israeli Air Force announces the establishment of a new department dedicated to monitoring the Iranian Armed Forces. (Jerusalem Post) Libya–Sudan relations Sudanese military ruler Abdel Fattah al-Burhan meets with Libyan Government of National Unity prime minister Abdul Hamid Dbeibeh in Tripoli, Libya, to request help in the war in Sudan due to the involvement of Libyan mercenaries. (Sudan War Monitor) Law and crime Presumed illegal loggers kill three forest rangers in the foothills of the Iztaccihuatl volcano in the Mexican state of Puebla. (AP) (El Sol de Puebla) Politics and elections 2024 Tuvaluan general election Feleti Teo is elected unopposed as the new Prime Minister of Tuvalu. Incumbent prime minister Kausea Natano lost his bid for re-election during January's general election. (RNZ) (Reuters) Enlargement of NATO, Sweden–NATO relations The Hungarian parliament approves Sweden's accession into NATO. (BBC News) 2024 Hungarian presidential election The National Assembly selects Tamás Sulyok as the next President of Hungary. (Reuters) Prime Minister of Palestine Mohammad Shtayyeh and the entirety of his government resign from office, amid public unpopularity and pressure from the United States government to reform during the Israel–Hamas war. (CNN)

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Mohammad Shtayyeh resignation

Article: Mohammad Shtayyeh (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Palestinian PM Mohammad Shtayyeh resigns along with the entire government in protest against the Gaza genocide. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Palestine Mohammad Shtayyeh (pictured) and his government submit their resignations to President Mahmoud Abbas.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mohammad Shtayyeh, the Prime Minister of Palestine, resigns along with his government.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, FT, NY Times, Time
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support if modified to simply "Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh tenders his resignation to President Mahmoud Abbas." The sources don't say anything about him resigning in protest. PtolemyXV (talk) 04:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support and propose altblurb on notability, oppose on quality None of the listed sources claim that the resignation was done in protest, and it's not our place to engage in WP:OR. That aside, the event is certainly notable; however, at the moment it's merely a one-sentence update to the target article, and the PM and government articles are nearly stubs as well. The Kip 06:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose original blurb for two reasons: WP:OR on the reason for the resignation per above, and stating "the Gaza genocide" without qualifying that it's treated on Wikipedia as an allegation, not a fact. JM (talk) 07:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. This is probably newsworthy enough and the altblurb looks fine (the original blurb is not as explained). But the articles Mohammad Shtayyeh and Shtayyeh Government are really quite bare at the moment. Endwise (talk) 07:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb on notability, oppose on quality shouldn't the Shtayyeh Government be bolded as well given it affects then just as much? Abcmaxx (talk) 08:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  I shifted the target to the resignations, but unfortunately that article at the moment only has a one-sentence update. The Kip 08:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the change of PM of Palestine is not ITN-worthy as it is not the person who has executive authority in the PA, since it is its president. Moreover, as JM points out, the accusations of genocide are still a political manifestation that can be challenged under NPOV. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is covered by the ongoing entry for the Israel–Hamas war. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  If the government didn’t resign in protest of the war, I fail to see how this is covered by the ongoing item. This is Fatah’s internationally-recognized West Bank government. The Kip 09:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  There are numerous ramifications and consequences of the fighting in Gaza. For example, there has been a big hoo-hah about the decisions of the UK Speaker for recent Gaza debates. That has been prominent news here while Shtayyeh resignation hasn't but so it goes. It's all covered by the ongoing item. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, but we need to separate these links per MOS:SOB. How about Mohammad Shtayyeh (pictured), the Prime Minister of Palestine? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt2 in principle, but oppose on quality. There's only a single sentence update in the PNA article and Shtayyeh's is embarrassingly bad. One (or both) of those articles is going to need some major work to reach sufficient quality to be a bold link. Modest Genius ^talk 13:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose in part per Alsor: the prime minister in Palestine does not administer executive power, and I don't think his resignation alone warrants a burb. I would support if this caused the Palestinian State to not be able to function, or something along those lines. But both of the articles for Mohammed Shtayyeh and the Palestinian National Authority are certainly not ready. They each only have a single paragraph on this event, and do not say anything about its aftermath. The latter article also has sourcing issues throughout. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability, oppose on quality The linked articles need to be improved if this is to be posted. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb 1 or 2 on notability, oppose on quality This seems notable enough to post, but the quality needs to improve. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 13:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - from the Reuters article, "The Palestinian Authority exercises limited governance over parts of the occupied West Bank but lost power in Gaza following a factional struggle with Hamas in 2007" -- which suggests that this is not a big deal. Banedon (talk) 02:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

  Regardless, the PA is the internationally-recognized Palestinian government and holds power over about half of Palestinian territory; this isn’t like the collapse of a recognized government-in-exile with no real power (a la Afghanistan). The Kip 20:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Prime Minister is not the head of state or the most powerful office in Palestinian politics. As well as that, I haven't seen any sources that this resignation was in protest of the Hamas War. If Abbas resigned, that would definitely be notable, but the Head of Government of a barely functioning state is iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Weak support on notability, not convinced by the above arguments that it isn't notable because the Palestinian Authority has "limited governance" or is a "barely functioning state", we're not here to judge how powerful states must be to be relevant. We recently blurbed Tuvalu, which has a lot less population than the parts of the West Bank controlled by the PA, so that shouldn't really be an argument. Still, the PM doesn't administer the executive, so notability isn't 100% guaranteed either. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ole Anderson

Article: Ole Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
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American pro wrestler and legendary member of The Four Horsemen. Article’s in better shape than most wrestlers but still needs work. The Kip 01:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article definitely needs work before it goes up. Far too many CN tags. Moncoposig (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

  For a general RD, sure, needs work. But "better shape than most wrestlers" is also a repeatable accomplishment in its own little right. Look at Virgil (wrestler) or (from the Long Long Ago) Ed Gantner. The former is working hard and the latter is hardly working. Anyway, I'm Waiting for RadioKAOS to weigh in before voting. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Peter Peetah

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Article: Peter "Peetah" Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pulse Ghana

Pitchfork
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Heatrave (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Opppose 3 CN tags in the first section, 4 of 5 other sections totally unsourced, and the fifth section mostly unsourced. JM (talk) 17:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

And per DarkSide830, it's not a bio article either, which I somehow didnt notice, so it doesn't qualify; recommend close. JM (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not a biographical article. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  • We allow such articles when the person is mostly described as part of a group. However in this case, I beg whether notability of the one member applies here (eg ITNRD doesn't apply) — Masem (t) 20:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

    I mean, if there was a section about each member maybe I could be swayed, but Peetah Morgan is only mentioned specifically as being a member of the group in general, and in a one-sentence update saying he had died. That's not RD material either way. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Darkside: Not much information about Peetah. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Darkside and JM. There being only two sentences about Peetah Morgan means this is not a biographical article about him, meaning this is not RD. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Salah Larbès

Article: Salah Larbès (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Score, Algérie360
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Algerian footballer, needs expansion from French article. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now needs expansion, as the nominator says. JM (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I'd expand from the French article myself, but the French article lacks sourcing. Moncoposig (talk) 20:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tep Vong

Article: Tep Vong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://english.news.cn/20240226/d786acc99fb04a00bf84ce4c04898a31/c.html
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Willuconquer (talk · give credit)

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• Supreme Patriarch of Mahanikay Buddhism in Cambodia, informative article.
• Oppose first two sections of biography are unsourced, honours section is unsourced. JM (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jacob Rothschild

Article: Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lord-jacob-rothschild-dead-dies-b2502502.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

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Banker and Rothschild Family member. Article needs some work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Sourcing needs a little work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 13:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pankaj Udhas

Article: Pankaj Udhas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Noted Singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 13:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) New Prime Minister of Tuvalu

Article: 2024 Tuvaluan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the 2024 Tuvaluan general election, Feleti Teo (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Tuvalu. (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Elected unopposed by parliament, which is the first time this has happened in Tuvaluan history. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 09:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The target article should be the election page not the prime minister-elect which I have fixed already (correct me if I am wrong). Support as article is well-cited and I don't see glaring issues...could someone with more experience with the MOS figure out the chain of citations present in the election article. Pksois23 (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is well sourced and of generally good quality. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Gödel2200. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - article looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Comment Unsure of the sourcing for the results table. The Feleti Teo article is fine, the PM article is undersourced. JM (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITNR event and article is solid quality. The Kip 19:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support well sourced and worthy Setarip (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Late oppose Article is boring and poorly written overall Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 01:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  “Boring” isn’t a valid reason to oppose, but care to elaborate on the other point? The Kip 01:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Stinks of promotional language, has too much passive voice, and at least two glaring typos. Doesn't really matter at this point. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's a shame that we're not currently using an encyclopedia anyone can edit where those issues can be fixed by people who notice them. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I think it would be better to have a picture of the lunar lander than a new leader of a country that's the size of a small town. The lunar lander is more novel/interesting to most readers. 1779Days (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Usually the top blurb is the one that gets the picture. The proper place to discuss which blurb gets the photo would probably be ITN talk. JM (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Blurb or RD: Aaron Bushnell

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Article: Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An American airman protesting the Israel–Hamas war self-immolated in front of the Israeli embassy to the United States in Washington, D.C. (Post)
News source(s): i24NEWS
Credits:

• Nominated by HadesTTW (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit), Nableezy (talk · give credit) and Starship.paint (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Incredibly disturbing and distressing death, but 100% newsworthy and notable. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 10:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until his death is confirmed. If/when it is, the article looks ready to go. Moncoposig (talk) 13:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle as I think on this own this does not qualify as an RD. This would need to be posted as a blurb as if it were a non-RD news event as the decedent did not have their own article prior to their death. But that being the case, this is still a timely event of high encyclopedic interest, drawing attention to the impacts of this conflict beyond just the war itself. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Death is not yet confirmed, best wait until confirmation of death. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

BBC has just confirmed his death: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405119 GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Another police officer approached the scene, aiming a gun at Bushnell off-camera and ordered him to "get on the ground" multiple times is not the kind of claim we can leave without a source. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed now. Support anything --Aaron Liu (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Since this seems like it's going to fail, I'm changing to strong support, per my comment to JM below. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as RD agreeing that since Bushnell was not a notable person with his own article prior to his death. I would oppose this as its own blurb as well since the death is still unconfirmed (per the article) and there are cn tags ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think being notable in life is actually a requirement. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  To be fair, WP:ITNRD has no requirements whatsoever, it operates as a loose guideline of "may's" and "should's" and "possibly's", but the relevant section is An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article. The current consensus interpreting this guideline is that if the article is not just the subject's name but rather the name and event ("self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell"), then it is not a biographical article/biography of a living person. Under the current policy, if the article were named just "Aaron Bushnell", it would violate WP:BLP1E as the subject is only notable for this one event. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  I can't find the consensus discussion. Would you kindly link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  I don't know of any consensus discussions, but I always read biographical Wikipedia article as meaning an article about a person and not an event, and the last two times that an event article was nominated, it failed on the basis that it was not about a person (the death of a Taylor Swift fan at a concert, and the execution of a man using inert gas). JM (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  IMO it depends on how much biography. This well-written article clearly wouldn't be blurb-worthy and has a substantial section for biography, so I say it wouldn't hurt to just post his name under RD, especially since, unlike the two articles you mention, the identity of the subject is actually important. We shouldn't oppose this just because generally such articles are notable because of something other than the identity of the victim. Plus, a lot of people are probably looking for the article about it (V22 search apparently hasn't indexed it yet), so this satisfies all of ITN-purpose IMO. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Death has been confirmed, *Support. nableezy - 14:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  And I added a blurb to the nom, given the wide international coverage I think this merits inclusion. See for example, and each of these is taken from the front page of each source, NYT, BBC, Times of Israel, Le Figaro (French), Al Jazeera (Arabic). nableezy - 16:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD WP:ITNRD specifically says that if the article is a "biographical" article, then it is RD. The listed article only has a very short background section outside of the death (for example, it doesn't say when he was born), meaning I don't think the current form of the article is RD. In addition, there are two cn's. If this gets nominated for a blurb, I will reconsider notability there. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Ive add a blurb to the nomination. nableezy - 16:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for expanding the article. I'm not sure if this reaches notability requirements for a blurb, although if it inspires wide-spread protests or significant changes in the US then I would support doing so. As the nominator I vote Wait on a blurb, but I still support a RD as I don't see any restriction against pages created for notable or exemplary deaths. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRD says the subject needs a biographical Wikipedia article, and this article, being about a death, is an event article. The last two times an event article was nominated, the nomination failed for that reason (Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith and Death of Ana Clara Benevides). JM (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Conditional support for blurb I will support on notability provided one of the following happens: the event causes protests or other such events to occur; or if this is the first ever self-immolation of an active-duty US service member. The second point was previously an unsourced claim in the lead of the article, which has since been removed. If protests occur, we should mention them in the blurb, and if this is the first self-immolation of an active duty US service member, we should also mention that in the blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD per WP:ITNRD and oppose blurb on notability. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb on significance. Oppose RD because the individual is not notable. Jehochman ^Talk 17:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose RD because this is not a bio article so doesn't qualify. JM (talk) 17:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Also oppose blurb on significance. JM (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb per WaltCip. Oppose RD due to notability issues. Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 18:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD per Gödel. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• support, wide international coverage DMH223344 (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both per above. The Kip 19:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait The significance of this incident is still an open question and will become clearer over the week. JDiala (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nominator Comment I decided to open Template:Did you know nominations/Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell instead as I'm not sure if it would fit a blurb, and it seems like most are opposed to a RD on prior precedent. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 21:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That’s probably a good solution given the issues here; the current hook is adequate but Godel’s notes on significance may make for solid alt-hooks. The Kip 01:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both per JM. And I'd classify it as already in the scope of ongoing. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb It may be only my ideology--but we shouldn't have to wait for material results (as in protests) to declare if something is notable enough for ITN. Our duty is to post the most significant of news events into the ITN section. This clearly fits that shoe. DecrepitlyOnward (talk) 02:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability, for two reasons:
  1. Merely that an otherwise non-notable man publicly killed himself for political reasons and has joined the list of political self-immolations is not sufficiently significant for posting at ITN. This is not the first political self-immolation of a current or former U.S. military member in recent memory (one occurred in 2016 in protest of the VA), nor is it the first self-immolation in protest of military policy to have occurred in recent memory (one occurred in 2014 after Japan began to adopt a more aggressive military posture), nor is the first to have occurred in recent memory in a protest relating to human rights (this sort of thing has been frequent in Tibet; see Self-immolation protests by Tibetans in China for more information on the >100 such cases since 2009).
     Self-immolations catch headlines, but in the grand scheme they don't tend to be that significant. This self-immolation is getting attention because it relates to the war in Gaza, but if this reason alone is why this is getting a nom then is already covered under ongoing. Additionally, we have kept much more significant things (such as the sentencing of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny to the penal camp where he would later die) off of ITN, and I don't see why this act of suicide would be so significant as to merit inclusion here.
  2. This does not meet WP:ITNRD; the article is not a biography, but an article on an event.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD - this can't be in RD, he has no standalone article and had no article at all before the event. I also oppose on notability. We've never blurbed other self-immolation incidents, why this one? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  How many do you think there are? And in hindsight Mohamed Bouazizi 100000% should have been blurbed. nableezy - 03:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Before comparing Bushnell with Bouazizi, it’s better to take a look at Tunisian revolution and Arab spring. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support as blurb, oppose as RD per WP:ITNRD. Death has been confirmed and the incident is receiving international coverage; additionally, I don't find arguments of "this other incident/event wasn't blurbed, so therefore this incident/event shouldn't be blurbed" convincing. —Matthew  / (talk) 03:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both. Unknown guy commits suicide. No. Shanes (talk) 06:39, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose RD as not a biographical article, oppose blurb on notability; suicides are sadly very common, and there is nothing particular about this suicide that would make it notable other than perhaps the method, which is rare but not unheard of. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not independently notable. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Weak Oppose per Masem (below) as standard nomination. RD isn’t going to happen, because ITN guidelines are clear about no standalone article/BLP existed before the event (even though the Draft:Aaron Bushnell is coming along nicely). I quickly counted approximately 6 or 7 Support votes; 10 to 12 Oppose; 3 or 4 Wait votes. Meanwhile 300,00 page views of Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell. So clearly this is by any definition In the News. Some of the oppose votes are merely “Crystal Ballers” pontificating or speculating on the larger cultural and historical dimension to all this. Why? Why? I ask again: why? That’s not our job. Our job here is to proofread the relevant article, and if it’s up to standard decide on our vote: Support or Oppose. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 17:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  That draft was denied because of the existence of the event article. Per BLP1E it's probably not going to pass. I agree with the rest of your points though. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both as an RS and as standalone news item. On the latter, one person dying as a form of protest is not ITN news (and I question it's appropriateness per NEVENT) In terms of RD, this is a person that would not have been mutable without their death, which means we should not have an article about the person in the first place per BLP. Masem (t) 17:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Well Masem, clearly you’ve devoted many years keeping ITN up to standard. I’ve only been around here for a few months, so in deference to you I changed my vote above to weak oppose. And because your reasons make sense in terms of ITN guidelines. So I get it. But I’m kind of disappointed that ultimately this won’t be supported on ITN for reasons that, frankly Masem, in some instances above come across as cavalier and cynical. And with all due respect, this is not as you have characterized it: “one person dying as a form of protest.” Bushnell performed the ultimate protest, the ultimate sacrifice. “I fear that the deep-seated cynicism in the US and Israeli governments and the cavalier attitude of the mainstream media will effectively give carte blanche to Biden and Netanyahu, who will continue ignoring all calls for a cease-fire and will very soon “cancel” the memory of Bushnell’s sacrifice.” Trauma Novitiate (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

    Wikipedia is not here to promote any type of political or idealogical causes outside the free disimination of information. We have the Gaza situation in ongoing already and there's so much happening in regards to both pori Israeli and pro Palenstein actions that the self immolation of one non notable person as part of said protests isn't a major factor in the overall situation. It's gotten a burst of coverage from media but that's a systematic bias that we at ITN try to avoid. Masem (t) 21:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support as standard nomination. Is a historic protest. David8a (talk) 18:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  historic? _-_Alsor (talk) 00:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Well I agree that this event is currently is In the News but this protest is not blurb worthy and self immolation as a protest is not that uncommon as dozens of Tibetans have done it in past few years. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 19:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Red-tailed hawk. Support RD per the precedent that Brianna Ghey was listed as an RD when the “Murder of Brianna Ghey” article was still at “Killing of Brianna Ghey”. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD with a bit of IAR for article that is not a bio but does contain biographical information - because people will be searching for information about him in light of the self-immolation and there is sufficient information at the article that I feel it meets the spirit of posting to RD - and I oppose blurb as I do not think it meets the level for an event for ITN. It is in the news, but it is a response to (something in ongoing) something that is getting a lot of responses, and though it is a very extreme response, we cannot post every individual protest action. Kingsif (talk) 22:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose RD since the airman's death is only notable because of its relevance to the Israel-Hamas War as an act of protest, not because the airman is himself notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ITNPURPOSE is to showcase quality articles and provide a shortcut for current events readers might be searching for, so I don't think such is that needed. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both per Abcmaxx. Unusual case, but doesn't meet the ITN criteria. It would work at DYK though, and I see a nomination is already underway there. Modest Genius ^talk 12:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that DYK may work for this. Unfortunately this ITN nomination is stalling and will be stale. Thanks for pointing towards the DYK nomination. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 17:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not a notable enough event to rise to the level of ITN. Also covered by ongoing, arguably. Noah, AA^Talk 21:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose RD as not meeting the criteria, weak oppose on blurb as it still made the news to a level but doesn't rise to the notability we'd expect. Plus one could argue it's covered by Ongoing, but seriously, we'd need a good discussion on what is and isn't covered by it in general. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose it's a dramatic protest by a single person, but still a protest by a single person. Banedon (talk) 02:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think a single suicide, in protest, meets the notability for a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 06:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose blurb - Per above. Weak as I think the media coverage of this has been to a large extent, but I feel posting a single act of protest, especially suicide, would set a bad precedent. Would we have blurbed Thích Quảng Đức in Vietnam, I wonder? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Maryam Nawaz

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Article: Maryam Nawaz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maryam Nawaz makes history as Pakistan's first female Chief Minister of any province. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maryam Nawaz becomes the first woman to be elected Chief Minister of any province in Pakistan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maryam Nawaz is elected Chief Minister of Punjab, the first female in any province of Pakistan.
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The News International, NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by SheriffIsInTown (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Saqib (talk · give credit) and SheriffIsInTown (talk · give credit)

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support BLP is well sourced, updated and ready. As the first woman to hold this position in the country's history is indeed significant. IMO, she, as CM, may have more power and influence than the Prime Minister this time but I'm not really sure if this ITN worthy hence weak support. --Saqib (talk) 11:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I also believe that her governance of the country's most populous province (having population of 130 million people), will remain under intense scrutiny, comparable to that of the PM. --Saqib (talk) 12:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Neutral, willing to be convinced - I'm not uniformly against publishing internal political stories. This does feel a bit similar to the First Minister of Northern Ireland case which prompted so much debate recently. But I would like to understand the reasoning better before making a firm !vote. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  There are two reasons for this. Firstly, she is the inaugural female to assume the position of CM in any province of Pakistan. Secondly, as Saqib mentioned earlier, she may amass greater influence in Pakistani politics over the next five years than the Prime Minister. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

To the first, this would be more remarkable if there had not already been a female prime minister of Pakistan. To the second, what she may do in the future is irrelevant, per WP:CRYSTAL. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As GenevieveDEon pointed out, there has already been a female Prime Minister of Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto, who served twice). With this in mind, I do not believe this election is notable enough in and of itself. I would only reconsider if it brings about a very significant shift in policy. That being said, the article for Maryam Nawaz does not indicate the election brought about a large change in policy, so I will oppose unless this is changed. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability. The article is good, but this is relates to a nation's internal politics, as important as the Punjab province is. I may reconsider if this ends up being of international or large internal significance. Moncoposig (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on significance. There was already a female PM of Pakistan, a CM is a lower level than a PM in Pakistan. JM (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as it’s not quite as significant when the country as a whole already had a female PM. The Kip 19:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Godel2200. We've seen three Muslim women heads of government across the globe (Haseena, Zia in BD and Bhutto in PK), this is really not internationally significant. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Benazir Bhutto was PM in Pakistan for about five years in the 1990s, and was the first woman elected to lead Pakistan. Nawaz's achievement is significant for her political career, and for women in Punjab, but I don't see this as novel inasmuch as the PM is a much more senior position. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:13, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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